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@Daffie_Toke,poignant query! No prob at all, everything was from seed, that pre-condition seems to be key. but since you brought up the 'co-grow' topic, I deem the indoor tomato test lacking efficacy. The cherry tomatoes mate was grown outdoors in AZ in a 15-gal pot, and it's still overwintering well, with a TON of unripened fruit. Given the significant resource premium when growing indoors, I'm sticking with starts and medicine. Cant WAIT for spring!!!