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@Jef79, That could be it but i only gave them 1.5 ml of each in 15 L of water. Biobizz calls for 1ml/L, so I didnt figure 0.15ml/L would bother them to much and help get them going a bit. And 2.5 ml of each in 15L of water for the last 2 waters. But I think I will do water only next time as this is only day 18(or day 21 the first popped out of the dirt) I also like adding some to get the ph lower so i dont have to adjust it it to stay all natural as I cant find organic ph down around here.