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I feel as if home growers and commercial grow operations and even the illegal market is growing the same genetics. There is no more underground dank they k

Ninjabuds
Ninjabudsstarted grow question 10h ago
With the modernization of online seed banks and how most seed banks havesimilar geneticsavailable.Also how certain strains get famousand then everything gets crossed with that strain.Does anyone else think thatcannabis genetics is goingthru the 2nd bottleneck? 1st is prohibition
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00110001001001111O
00110001001001111Oanswered grow question 2h ago
Consumers tend to focus on the superficial and sellers are happy to take advantage of that lack of sophistication. The mob's lack of sophistication and basic greed is the problem. That doesn't mean all sources lack integrity or solely pander to the mob to maximize profits, but most engage in it to some extent, because that's how our socio-economic system is set up and the behaviours it motivates. None of this is new or limited to marijuana seeds. When a brand achieves success and a good reputation, it often starts to cut costs and maximize profits. When people actualy realize they have begun to cash in on that reputation, it's several years down the road. Saw this with computer brands over time, audio equipment and numerous other examples. it's ubiquitous behaviour throughout time. unless a breeder is using 100s or 1000s of phenos for selection process and crossing them in a sytematic way then assessing offspring's observable traits and figuring out which parings created the best seeds, then everything they say about quality is hot air. Even the ones with a good reputation. we've got producers refusing to learn how genetics work and employing 1800s level of knowledge. That's part of the problem, too. Why put in the work and extra costs if people just buy based on how pretty the plant is? LOL Then you got the traits being maximized that have nothing to do with quality or flavor. Exotic colors are pretty but they are fucking useless, lol. how many good traits were lost while single-mindedly focusd on some suprficial trait that is irrelevant but increases sales to idiots? Roses lost their aroma due to similar retarded behaviours that pander to the mob. if they'd been doing their jobs all this time, the genetics could be better mapped out for basic traits and flavor prophiles etc... wouldn't need 1000s of phenos to select killers, because you could do some dna sequencing and know which 2 plants to cross with each other for the best otucomes instead of figuring it out retroactively after you breed wasting immense amount of resources to do so by comparison... it isn't magic. it's all predictable. This is a deterministic reality.. not some magical shamanistic nonsense.
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ATLien415
ATLien415answered grow question 6h ago
Firmly disagree on the 'no underground dank'. Stop running the cannabis equivalent of Blackrock or Arby's or Walmart, stop feeding these vultures, stop doing autos, and do your part. Give any true F1 hybrids that are auto 0 star reviews, note every banana on your Z strain grows, note how the 2000's cut of whatever smokes 15 quadrillion times better than the best flower in a dispo, be vocal about this stuff. Yes, prohibition bottlenecked cannabinoid spectrums and contributed to the state of affairs...at this point the problem is 100% uneducated consumers and cultivators feeding the wrong wolf. Like we have Thug Pug, 3rd Coast, umami, Seattle Chronic, Piffcoast, CSIH, Bodhi, Dirty Bird, the Syndicate folks, even Irie genetics... or if you truly are too lazy to grow the plant with a schedule, then nightowl and mephesto and the lot. It is not hard to tell who is real and who is a nobody in this space if you pay attention. Folks don't like hundred dollar packs or three hundred cuts. They want twenty dollar packs of boof for seeds, thca shifted and sprayed and remediated garbage for their flower, lung eroding distillate made for edibles for their vapes, and then for some reason they want four thousand dollar cuts lol. We have cultivators in industry that passed the 50% plant material barrier in 2023. In the Midwest USA a cut of Bicket OG was confirmed at 38% THCA and over 5% terpenes (this cultivator does list some non terpenes here that a proper understanding would know they are non-isoprene and are therefore not terpenes). Adding the entire test results up, it was just over 50% by mass active ingredients. Cannatrol just flipped everything we know about trichome integrity upside down. Some specialty additive folks are also showing that we are seeing micro-examples of coevolution with every cannabis crop (see recent rhizo research where cannabis transports endophytes with effluent streams of volatiles into the gland head and support their lifecycle for days before transporting them back to the rhizo). Right now is the best time to be alive for cannabis, categorically, without argument otherwise. The only way you can even make an argument to the contrary is by choosing to grow a whitelabeled autoflowering runtz from walmart seed bank .com Theres plenty of folks I missed too. We have whole breeding programs dedicated to minor cannabinoids, entire programs dedicated to secondary metabolites, etc. Find the real ones who actually understand what they are doing. Sadly, that is gonna be rare at 'XYZ Big Box Discount Dollar Store Emporium of Seeds That Are Sitting In A Drawer For Years'
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m0use
m0useanswered grow question 7h ago
I think the main bottle neck for cannabis is retardation of its genetics and bad breeding practices. The lineage of how to make some strains is easy. Strain 1 x Strain 2 = "special strain" The main issue with this is that the strains who are the parents are normally special phenotypes that are not common to sprout in seeds. and if you are not looking for that real special phenotype and using basic shit, then anything can be that "special strain" This is how every seed bank as their own version of common strains. This contrasted by cone only cuts, as the clones are not from seed, and if the mom was fire, the clones will be to. But their are there own sets of issues with clones like health of the mother plant, viruses and if the strain should have even been cloned out. Can clone any photoperiod does not mean it is great. Trying and make the plants always perform great requires a lot of inbreeding and retarding of the genetics. not great long term for the plant. but for us and bag appeal its fine. This is not natural selection its intervention and does not make them stronger, a lot of plants can't survive in the elements as they are to chunky and RH kills em all off with bud rot outside. Legalization is a human issue. not a plant one. its a bottle neck for us but I don't think it was massive as weed always been avilable,
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DrBud420
DrBud420answered grow question 8h ago
From everything you listed, there is nothing better than home growing, and even if all 3 branches grow exactly the same genetics... Commercial growing is not bad, it is good, but it is far from the best... People from the underground grow it only for money and they are even less interested in creating more work for themselves to produce a "slightly" better product, and they do not realize that they would get a much better product and a much larger quantity if they invested a little more effort and knowledge, i.e. to learn something, thus more money... while at home growers you will come across the best grass, it doesn't matter if it was grown outside or inside, but that it was grown with care, love and knowledge... a home grower cares for each plant separately and grows each plant differently, grows it according to its needs, while this is not the case with the other two branches, they grow thousands exactly the same.
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